Pir Karam Shah and Ml. Qasim Nanotwi according to the Barelwi Scholars

March 4, 2012

It is often claimed by Barelwis that Pir Karam Shah sahib repented of his praise of Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi and Tahdhir al-Nas. In this half hour long speech Barelwi ‘alim Syed Tabasum Bukhari refutes this claim and recounts his confrontation with Pir Karam Shah and the latter’s refusal to declare Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi a kafir:


Tabassum Bukhari, the Barelwi scholar, met with Pir Karam Shah in 1996 in Behra because of Pir Karam Shah stating that that Ml. Qasim Nanotwi did not deny the finality of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) of this time. Tabassum Bukhari wrote a letter to Pir Karam Shah but he did not answer to his refutation. So Tabassum Bukhari traveled to him and asked him for a clarification (15:30 minutes).

So he asked for his aqida (16:50 minutes). He criticizes the Barelwi scholars for not having the courage to speak against him (17:30 minutes). So in 1996 he asked him what is your opinion about the quotes in Tahdhir al-Nas which the Barelwi scholars called the kufr.

Pir Karam Shah was asked (20:45 minutes) by other Barelwi scholars what his true stance was.

Tabassum Bukhari preached for a long time and was emotional and was grabbed by his students to stop (at 22:48 minutes) him. Pir Karam Shah said in the end: I don’t call any Muslim an unbeliever.

Then Tabassum Bukhari stated that I will write against you (24:00 minutes). Then Pir Karam Shah waved with his hands and stated: Go and write whatever you want against me, I don’t call any Muslim an unbeliever. (24:24 minutes)

Tabassum Bukhari stated: I don’t say you should call a Muslim an unbeliever, but what do you say who writes kufr, can you not call him a kaafir then? Then he stated the same.

Then he wrote a whole book against him and against tahdhir al-nas.. A lot of Barelwis stated that this book should not be published because Pir Karam Shah is one of our own, and it will haram us. But the Barelwis did publish the book. Pir Karam Shah was alive during that time and during this lecture.

31:30 he says: A LOT OF (Barelwi) SCHOLARS in our time don’t affirm the kufr of the Deobandi scholars and are guilty of sullah kulliyat. They are playing from both sides.

At 33:49 he refers to the muqaddima of Zia al-Qur’an stating that both Deobandis and Barelwis are united in the fundamentals (usul) and even agree on the finality of the Prophet.

Pir Karam Shah and Mukhtare Kull

November 6, 2011

Pir Karam Shah, an influental Barelwi scholar mentions in his tafsir Ziya’ al-Qur’an some issues that go against the mainstream, extremist Barelwi aqida. The relevant quotes were mentioned by the monthly magazine Bayyinat published in October 2006 by Jamia Binnoria Town: http://www.banuri.edu.pk/ur/node/406

میں یہ نہیں کہتا کہ اللہ تعالیٰ کی قدرت کے سارے خزانے میرے قبضہ میں ہیں‘ خود بخود جیسے چاہوں ان میں تصرف کروں یا مجھے غیب کا خود بخود علم ہوجاتاہے اور بغیر اللہ کے بتلائے اور سکھلائے میں ہرغیب کو جانتا ہوں‘ میرا یہ دعویٰ نہیں میر اگر کوئی دعویٰ ہے تو فقط یہ کہ: ”ان اتبع الا ما یوحی الیّ“جو کچھ میری طرف وحی کیا جاتاہے میں اس کی پیروی کرتا ہوں قول اور فعل میں‘ علم اور عمل میں“۔ (ضیاء القرآن ص:۵۵۸ ج‘۱)

“I do not say that I possess all the treasures of the power of Allah, that I can distribute (tasarruf) it on my own, or that I know the ghayb through my own, and without telling and instructing of Allah, I know every ghayb…”

Pir Karam quotes under the same verse of 6:50 Ruh al-Ma’ani, but does not fully quote Alusi, when he gives examples of how the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) can not distribute things on his own. The part highlighted in red was not quoted by Pir Karam shah:

 والمعنى لا أدعي أن هاتيك الخزائن مفوضة إليَّ أتصرف فيها كيفما أشاء استقلالاً أو استدعاء حتى تقترحوا عليَّ تنزيل الآيات أو إنزال العذاب أو قلب الجبال ذهباً أو غير ذلك مما لا يليق بشأني

While Pir Karam Shah highlighted the first part only, with emphasis on istiqlal (independently) and istid’a (desire). The full quote of Alusi is:

“The meaning is that I do not claim that these treasures are entrusted to me while I dispose in them however I wish, independently and on demand, such that you can request from me to reveal signs or bring down punishment or change mountains to gold or other than that of which is not fitting my station.”

So according to Alusi, the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) can  not 1. show signs himself, 2. nor bring down punishment if he wants, 3. nor turn mountains into gold.