8th Century Maturidi Imam, Imam al-Ghaznawi: To Claim Knowledge of Hour for any of Creation is Kufr!


8th Century Maturidi Imam, Imam al-Ghaznawi: To Claim Knowledge of Hour for any of Creation is Kufr!
It has been shown in an earlier post that the Maturidi Imam, Qadi Kamal al-Din Ahmad al-Bayadi, from the 11th century Hijri, explicitly stated that the knowledge of the Hour is not from the knowledge of the ghayb that was taught to the Prophet (sallAllahu ‘alayhi wasallam):https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/maturidi-imam-al-bayaadi-says-knowledge-of-hour-is-only-known-to-allah/

He said:

إن الأنبياء لا يعلمون من الغيب إلا ما علمهم الله تعالى ووقت الساعة ليس منه
 “The Prophets do not know from the ghayb except what Allah – exalted is He – taught them, and the timing of the Hour is not from this.”

Of course this is not a doctrine for which we need to take recourse to the Imams of ‘Aqidah as it is evident from the clear pronouncements of the Qur’an and hadith. But the Barelwis have attempted to muddy this clarity, which is why the statements of ‘Aqidah scholars are quoted. In Abu Hafs Siraj ad-Din Umar ibn Ishaq al-Ghaznawi al-Hindi’s (d.773 H) commentary of Imam al-Tahawi’s ‘Aqidah text we have another explicit quote from this great Maturidi Hanafi Imam on this issue, in which he explicitly states that to hold the belief that someone from creation has this knowledge is kufr (disbelief)! Barelwis must therefore distance themselves from this opinion and from anyone who holds this opinion (like Ahmad Rida Khan) if they wish to be included in the Ahl al-Sunnah wa l-Jama’ah as propounded by the Imams of Ahl al-Sunnah wa l-Jama’ah.Al-Ghaznawi’s work can be found here: http://ia600400.us.archive.org/27/items/aslein5/babarty.pdfOn page 87, he quotes Imam al-Tahawi’s ‘Aqidah text which says:

العلم علمان علم فى الخلق موجود وعلم فى الخلق مفقود فإنكار العلم الموجود كفر وادعاء العلم المفقود كفر ولا يثبت الإيمان إلا بقبول العلم الموجود وترك طلب العلم المفقود

“Knowledge is two knowledges: Knowledge available to the creation, and knowledge unavailable to creation. Thus, denial of the knowledge available [to creation] is disbelief, and to claim the knowledge unavailable [to creation] is disbelief. Iman is not established except by accepting the available knowledge and avoiding seeking the unavailable knowledge.”After explaining what is meant by “available knowledge” (like knowledge of the existence of the Creator, His omniscience and omnipotence, and knowledge of Halal and Haram), he explains unavailable knowledge as follows:

وأما العلم المفقود فيهم فنحو العلم الذي أخفاه الله عن خلقه كالعلم بالغيب الذي استأثر بعلمه وكعلم القضاء والقدر وقيام الساعة كما قال الله تعالى قل لا يعلم من فى السموت والأرض الغيب إلا الله وقال لا يجليها لوقتها إلا هو فادعاء هذا العلم وطلبه كفر أيضا لأنه دعوى المشاركة مع الله فيما استأثر به

As for the knowledge unavailable to them [i.e. creation], it is like the knowledge which Allah has kept hidden from His creation, like knowledge of that unseen which Allah has kept exclusive knowledge of, and like knowledge of Qada and Qadr [as stated by al-Tahawi in the main text], and [the time] of the commencement of the Hour, as Allah (exalted is He) said: ‘Say: None in the heavens and earth knows theghayb besides Allah,’ (Naml: 65) and He said: “None reveals it [i.e. the time of the Hour] besides Him at its time.” (A’raf: 187). Thus, to claim this knowledge [for any of creation] and to seek it is also disbelief (kufr) because it is to claim partnership with Allah in that which He has taken exclusive possession of.” (Sharh ‘Aqidah Ahl al-Sunnah wa l-Jama’ah, al-Ghaznawi, p. 88)
Note: in the link given above, the editors have mistakenly attributed the sharh of Tahawiyya to al-Babarti.
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5 Responses to 8th Century Maturidi Imam, Imam al-Ghaznawi: To Claim Knowledge of Hour for any of Creation is Kufr!

  1. Shah says:

    Imam Abu Mansoor Mohammad Bin Mohammad Bin Mahmood Almaturidi
    Passed away in 333 Hirji and that’s 1435-333=1102 years ago
    He writes under vers 34 of Surah Luqman in his tafseer “Ta’weelaat Ahlu Sunnah”:
    فلا یحتمل ابو بکر یعلم ذلک لما القی الیہ، و رسول اللہ ﷺ لا یعلم الساعۃ؟ فانہ لا یطلع علیہ احد، الا ان یقال بان رسول اللہ ﷺ لم یؤذن لہ بالتکلم و القول بشئ الا من جھۃ الوحی من السماء ، فاما الاشتغال بمثلہ فلا، لان الاشتغال بمثلہ تضییع لکثیر مما امتحن، و ترک لبعض ما یؤمر و ینھی، او لما یخرج ذلک مخرج التطیر و التفاؤل و اکتساب الرزق علی غیر الجھۃ التی جعل و ابیح لھم، فکان المنع لذلک، و اللہ اعلم۔

    So it is not possible <> other than it can be said that The Prophet (peace be upon him) was not allowed to speak and say anything except the Wahy from the sky, thus he did not tell what was not allowed because if he would do that then it would be the wasting of what he was tested in and that would be the belying of what he was ordered and (that would be the belying of) what he was stopped from, or the publishing (of hidden knowledge) would be seen as prophecies and predictions and (that would lead to) earn livings in other ways than it is allowed and acceptable for them (people), therefore the forbiddance, and Allah is the most knowing.

    Here I uploaded a few pages of this tafseer:

    Outer of the book:

    Title page:

    Page 323:

    Read the words of Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi and you must bear in mind that he was the Imam and the leader of the Ahle Sunnah and others put “al maturidi” after their name to show that they are followers of him. Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi is the leader of them all.

    He writes clearly that The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) had the knowledge of the Hour but wasn’t allowed to tell due to different reasons. He doesn’t dispute that The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) had the knowledge of the Hour.

    >Of course this is not a doctrine for which we need to take recourse to the Imams of ‘Aqidah as it is evident from the clear pronouncements of the Qur’an and hadith. But the Barelwis have attempted to muddy this clarity, which is why the statements of ‘Aqidah scholars are quoted.>

    This is a BIG LIE and you are not even aware of what Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi wrote or you are trying to hide it.

    It’s clear that he was an Imam of Aqeedah and when he wrote that The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) had the knowledge of the Hour he had in mind everything what the quran and Hadith says about the Knowledge of the Hour.

    Barelwis haven’t tried to muddy anything, if you have understood what Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi says you will accept that Barelwis are right and the Deobandi/Salafi and Wahabis are totally wrong.

    I have shown you clear words of Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi where he proves the Knowledge of the Hour for The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) and according to your Wahabi beliefs anyone who beliefs that anyone else than Allah has knowledge of the Hour is a kafir, then I ask you what you will say about Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi ????

    According to your rubbish fatwa he (Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi|) should also be declared a kafir in the same way you Wahabis declare Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Qadri a kafir. Then come one and don’t waste your time in giving this fatwa. Be a man and don’t hesitate now.

    When your beliefs are not the same like the beliefs of Imam Abu Mansoor Al Maturidi then you have no right to call yourself Ahle Sunnah or Maturidi.

  2. Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi nowhere said the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had knowledge of the time of the Hour. In fact in the very section you quoted him, he says: “And the Messenger of Allah does not know the Hour because no one was made aware of it.”

    He says the same thing in many other places of his Tafsir. E.g. he said:

    “As for the Hour, it will commence without there being any influence or knowledge of any of the creation over it.” (وأما الساعه فإنها تقوم من غير أن كان لأحد من الخلائق تدبير فيها أو علم) (Tawilat Ahlis Sunnah, 5:107)

    “Ibn ‘Abbas said something close to this: I.e. I almost concealed it from Myself, so how can I disclose it to you?! Meaning, I will never disclose it to anyone besides Me.” (ibid.7:274)

    “None knows the Hour, when it will be, besides Allah.” (لا يعلم الساعة أحد متى تكون إلا الله) (8:129)

    The Maturidi Imams know better of the ‘aqeedah of their school than you. Imam Ghaznawi, Abu l-Su’ud and Bayadi, all great Maturidi scholars, clearly said the time of Hour was not disclosed to Prophet.

  3. Shah says:

    I think you didn’t read these words:

    فلا یحتمل ابو بکر یعلم ذلک لما القی الیہ، و رسول اللہ لا یعلم الساعۃ؟

    So it is not possible <<that Abu Bakr knows it when it’s (knowledge) is given to him and the Prophet (peace be upon him) doesn’t have the knowledge of the Hour?

    Read the whole page and try to understand what Imam Maturidi says, being ignorant is not the solution.

    And on the end he clearly states that Rasool Allah (peace be upon him) wasn't allowed to speak about some things and the knowledge of the Hour is one of these things.

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