A Follow-Up on Abu Hasan’s Errors


A Follow-Up on Abu Hasan’s Errors

Abu Hasan replied to this post:

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/exposing-another-of-abu-hasans-translation-fails/

Here:

http://sunniport.com/masabih/showpost.php?p=42298&postcount=13

By posting replies Abu Hasan is only digging himself deeper and deeper in his pit of lies, deceit and errors.

He admits his error here, but tries to defend himself by saying this was back in 2009 when he wasn’t so careful. Readers of this blog will know that there are more errors documented on this very website which Abu Hasan did not have the gall to admit as he knows what that will mean for his credibility:

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/another-example-of-the-distortions-of-abu-hasan/

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/another-example-of-abu-hasans-distortions/

There are also errors that have gone undocumented because Abu Hasan has cleared some of them up and because not everyone has the time to chase up on his “translations” and “research.”

But fortunately for us الحمد لله we have in this very post, where Abu Hasan replied to the earlier blog post, more examples of Abu Hasan’s incompetence – right in the present, in 2013.

This should therefore count as conclusive evidence in Abu Hasan’s and his readers’ eyes that he does not understand basic Arabic. He should therefore learn from these errors and not dabble in classical texts and draw conclusions from them based on his limited understanding. Or will he follow the path of his Barelwi/so-called “tranditionalist” brethren and speak without knowledge, which has been exposed again and again? “Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge.” (Qur’an 17:36)

Let us first look at his “correction” of the error that was documented in the previous post on this blog. He changed his translation of this line:

wa `an mithli qawli’l kuffari inzajar.

From:

[a person who utters such heretical words] should be severely reprimanded [rebuked and deterred] like the sayings of the infidels [are rejected].

To:

and similar to sayings of disbelievers [concerning God], will be deterred [from uttering such things]

Now, although the meaning of this latter “corrected” “translation” is closer now to the original Arabic than his previous translation, this translation shows that he still has not understood the grammatical construction of this sentence. Look at the brackets in his “translation” – he was forced to add them because he misunderstood what “will be deterred” is connected to; and he omitted the translation of ‘an (from).

The meaning of his new mistaken translation is that the person who understands the doctrine al-Tahawi is propounding will be deterred from uttering it just like he is deterred from the sayings of disbelievers. But the sentence is in reality much simpler than this. It just says that the person who understands this doctrine will be deterred from the sayings of the disbelievers.

In fact, al-Tahawi’s sentence has the verb come after the preposition and position (jar-majroor) which is connected to it (muta’alliq). So the verb “will be deterred” is connected to the previous part “from the like of the saying of disbelievers.” Hence, the sentence simply means “And he will be deterred from the like of the saying of the disbelievers.” Or more literally: “And from the like of the saying of the disbelievers, he will be deterred.”

In short his translation reveals yet again he has misunderstood the grammatical construction of this sentence, even in his second attempt! – when he was supposedly being careful! And even after being corrected. I very much doubt that Abu Hasan has properly studied the sciences of Nahw and Tarkib/I’rab, that every translator from Arabic, especially such important classical Islamic texts, should have full competence in.

But besides this we have another mistake in his “translation” of Babarti’s commentary of this passage. One can find Babarti’s commentary that was “translated” by Abu Hasan here:

http://ia600400.us.archive.org/27/items/aslein5/babarty.pdf

On page 66

Abu Hasan translated it as:

…whoever says that the Qur’an is created and it is an accident [huduth] and it is composed of letters and sounds has described the Creator [Bari] with human attributes; then, this statement of his is similar to the saying of disbelievers [kuffar] who say that: [the Qur’an] is human speech and because this implies similitude between the creation and the Creator. one who reflects upon this meaning and researches about it will understand and he will realise; and it is necessary for him to abstain [inzijaar] from what the disbelievers say.

There is more than one obvious error in this passage, but I will illustrate only one here.

The Arabic says

فيكون هذا القول مشابها لقول الكفار الذين هم قائلون بأنه كلام البشر لما فيه من تشبيه الخالق بالخلق

This sentence Abu Hasan translates as: “then, this statement of his is similar to the saying of disbelievers [kuffar] who say that: [the Qur’an] is human speech and because this implies similitude between the creation and the Creator”

Notice he says, “and because this implies similitude between the creation and Creator,” which shows that he believes that this “because” is related to something other than the sentence that immediately precedes it – which sentence that is, is not clear from his translation. This is a misunderstanding as in fact this part of the sentence is simply explaining why the speech under discussion is similar (mushabih) to the speech of the disbelievers – the reason is “due to what is in it of making the Creator similar to creation.” So the “and” in his translation is completely misplaced and shows he did not understand how this phrase is connected to the previous part of the sentence. Al-Babarti is simply explaining that the reason why saying Allah has human qualities is similar to the belief of the disbelievers that the Qur’an is the word of man is because both of these doctrines make a comparison between Allah and His creation.

These are a few tidbits of his seriously flawed understanding of the Arabic language and his incompetence in deciphering the meaning of classical Islamic texts, and rendering them into English. The best advice that can be given to him at this point is to stop digging himself further and further in his pit of deceit, lies, errors and mistakes, as that will save him from more humiliation and from further misguiding his blind and deluded followers as he has been doing for years. For everyone else, we should take note not to trust anything Abu Hasan “translates” or anything he presents as his personal “research.” More probably than not, these “translations” and “researches” will be full of mistakes and lies.

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7 Responses to A Follow-Up on Abu Hasan’s Errors

  1. Muhammed Abdullah Khan says:

    what is your answer to his question he asked at the end of this reply, why have you escaped that question?

  2. muhammadunali says:

    The writer of the piece is under no obligation to answer that question as he did not make any claim on the matter.

    The one being exposed, however, is under an obligation to accept that he has distorted translations of many texts, unintentionally in some and intentionally in some.

  3. Abul Hussain says:

    The question was asked by Barelwi Moderator Noori
    —-quote barelwi moderator noori—

    but the interesting part is that the zindeeq has ignored this question which was the crux of the matter.

    Quoting : Abu Hasan
    what is your opinion about tariq jamil’s statement below? please go ahead and mention whether it is kufr or not?
    end of quote

    and he will never answer.

    —-End of quote by noori and abu hasan rampuri/takfeerpuri—-

    The answer is given here to the question asked:

    https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/barelvi-pir-has-a-wrestling-match-with-allah/

    so we ask the barelwi abu hasan ridawi , noori , aqdas , abdul-qadir and other like minded barelwis

    what is your opinion about Barelwi Allamah Faqeer Mu’ini Shah Jamali in the link above ? please go ahead and mention whether it is kufr or not ?

    • Abul Hussain says:

      hey barelwis, if salafis/wahhabis come to know about this tajseem/tashbeeh of barelwis , how are you going to reply ? just think about that first before you guys post your circus-show replies on your barelwi forum…..

    • Abul Hussain says:

      sorry, here is a more clear reply to both Abu Hasan & Noori

      Why should anyone care about the statement or speech of Tariq Jamil or any other deobandi.

      By default all Deobandis have been declared kaafir by Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, so what difference does it make what Tariq Jamil or Jamil Tariq say ??

      Remember the takfiri words of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi

      “A woman is capable of committing fornication. Then according to the opinion of your leader and teacher, it is necessary that your God too should be capable of committing fornication – otherwise the prostitutes of the brothers of the Deobandi’s would laugh at Him and say: ‘How do you claim for Godhead? You are not capable of doing which even we can do?’ This naturally implies that your God must possess a female sexual organ – otherwise where will be the sexual intercourse?”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Subhan al-Subbuh. P. 142) .

      “He who doubts about the unbelief of the Deobandi’s is also an unbeliever.”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/82)

      “If anyone has the same beliefs as the Deobandi’s have, he is also an unbeliever.”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/43)

      “If anyone prays behind anyone of the Deobandi’s, he is also not a Muslim.”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/77)

      “Any person who doubts the kufr of these people (Deobandis) will themselves become kaafirs!” (See the preface to Ahmad Raza Khan’s Tamheed-e-Iman, p. v, by the South African Barelvi who called himself the “Khadim-e-Raza: servant of Rida Khan”, Mohammed Bana, dated 19/10/87)

      “Any person who would not call them (Deobandis) disbelievers or would maintain friendship with them, or would take into consideration their positions as teachers or relatives or friends will also definitely become one of them. He is a disbeliever like them. On the Day of Judgement, he will also be tied with them in the same rope. Whatever lame excuses and fraudulent arguments they give here are invalid and false.”
      (Ahmad Rida Khan in his Tamheed-e-Iman)

      “If anyone admires Darul Ulum Deoband, or does not believe in the corruption of the Deobandi’s and does not scorn them, then this is sufficient to make a judgement for him to be a Non-Muslim!”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/43)

      “If there is a gathering of Hindu’s, Christian’s, Qadiyani’s and Deobandi’s, the Deobandi’s alone should be rejected, for they have come out of the fold of Islam and defected from it. Agreement with the unbelievers is far better than the agreement with the apostates!!”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Malfuzat pp. 325-6)

      “The works of the Deobandi’s are more unclean than the various works of the Hindu’s. The doubt about the heresy of Ashraf Ali Deobandi and suspicion about his punishment is also unbelief. To cleanse the impurity with the papers of the works produced by the Deobandi’s is not lawful, not because of the respect for their books, but because of the reverence of the letters with which they have been written.”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 2/136)

      “The Wahhabi’s are more contemptuous than Iblis, indeed more mischievous and more straying than he, for the Shaytan does not tell a lie, but they tell a lie!!”
      (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Ahkam-e-Shariat (p. 112)

      • Abul Hussain says:

        oh great, we have a first reply from the chelay/chamcha of abu hasan takfeerpuri/rampuri

        says crony Abdal-Qadir

        ——BEGIN QUOTE——
        a cheerleader for that site, the zindiq mal3oon who calls himself abulhussain chimes on here:

        https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/a-follow-up-on-abu-hasans-errors/#comment-892

        without directly answering the question like a shareef aadmi, as expected, the zindiq dances around it by quoting someone else and as usual his usual propaganda against Ala Hazrat.

        what bigger proof of our no-compromise on Sunni 3aqidah does the shaytan need than our booting away of the padri tahir

        in any case i haven’t seen that quote by this Mawlana Muini Shah Jamali, and this devdas site is the first i have read of him. not that they will have any decency or shame and come up with a direct response, even if their ‘query’ is entertained, but just for the sake of the truth, can someone please have a look at this page

        https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/barelvi-pir-has-a-wrestling-match-with-allah/

        which abulhussain asks our feedback on before he will supposedly issue a direct answer in regards to the tariq jameel quote, and elaborate further on who this mawlana is, if he is even from Ala Hazrat’s khulafaa or not, and what he said, and if at all he is being lied against by the shayateen or if he is indeed guilty of tajseem and tashbeeh.

        —–end quote of barelwi chamcha——

        one should ask Abdal-Qadir what does it mean a Shareef Admi ?
        “without directly answering the question like a shareef aadmi, as expected, the zindiq dances around it”
        “zindiq mal3oon”

        but wait a minute, Abdal-Qadir is actually shareef aadmi compared to AlooHazrat Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi

        “If there is a gathering of Hindu’s, Christian’s, Qadiyani’s and Deobandi’s, the Deobandi’s alone should be rejected, for they have come out of the fold of Islam and defected from it. Agreement with the unbelievers is far better than the agreement with the apostates!!”
        (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Malfuzat pp. 325-6)

        “The works of the Deobandi’s are more unclean than the various works of the Hindu’s. The doubt about the heresy of Ashraf Ali Deobandi and suspicion about his punishment is also unbelief. To cleanse the impurity with the papers of the works produced by the Deobandi’s is not lawful, not because of the respect for their books, but because of the reverence of the letters with which they have been written.”
        (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 2/136)

        “The Wahhabi’s are more contemptuous than Iblis, indeed more mischievous and more straying than he, for the Shaytan does not tell a lie, but they tell a lie!!”
        (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Ahkam-e-Shariat (p. 112)

        But I will leave Abdal-Qadir enjoy the fancy stories of his aloohazrat start with this one

        special bonanza at 1:58 for Abdal-Qadir from the unique research of Aloohazrat Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi

        then if he is still not satisfied then he can enjoy part II of the unique research

        and part III which even the biggest barelwi scholar failed to address

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